Thursday, 7 June 2012

Grooming Gangs: The Islamic Connection Dissected

In this article we’ll be analysing a brainless new article by the EDL called ‘Grooming Gangs: The Islamic Connection’ trying to link grooming and Islam together. We will highlight the problematic statements within it, adding appropriate notes inside the brackets at the end of each particular verse or statement.

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Grooming Gangs: The Islamic Connection

We have already discussed how reference to ‘Asian’ grooming gangs unfairly stigmatises non-Muslim Asian communities that do not have this specific problem.

We also argued that failing to even consider that the men’s religion [What does this even mean?] could have had some relevance is not helpful if we want to understand and hopefully prevent these terrible crimes from happening again.

But how much of an influence can Islam truly have had? We know that the offenders are predominantly Muslim [How do you know? Did the police authorize you to hold such private information?] and predominantly Pakistani (i.e. from a Muslim culture) [So being Pakistani automatically makes them Muslim?], but that alone does not make this a Muslim problem. In order to be justified in speaking of ‘Muslim grooming gangs’ we cannot rely solely on statistics – we need to show that there is sufficient evidence that Islamic scripture, teaching and practice does go some way to explaining why there is this particular problem within the British Muslim community. [But throughout the article, there is no sufficient evidence at all]

We are not claiming that religion is the only factor [But you are, and this contradicts your previous statement about showing enough evidence from Islam to prove there is a correlation]. Why exactly these men committed their crimes we may never know, but that does not mean that the role played by Islam should avoid any scrutiny. If it is an important factor then it needs to be understood.

Evidence for the argument that Islam is an important factor can be found in the fact that the abduction, rape and sexual abuse of young girls by Muslim men is recognised [Rape, abuse, and pre-marital relations are forbidden in Islam, so this argument is invalid] as a problem in numerous different countries, including Sweden, Norway, Holland, France, Denmark, Pakistan, India, Somalia and Egypt. In each of these countries the victims all share the same profile: they are overwhelmingly non-Muslim [Where is the evidence to suggest this?]. For instance, in Pakistan the victims are invariably Christian, in India they are Sikhs and Hindus, in Somalia they are Christians and Animists, and in Egypt they are Copts. [Again, where is the evidence?]

It would be easy to argue that this can be explained by Islam’s hostility to other religions, but despite the success that some British imams have had in whipping up hostility towards non-Muslims, sectarian violence is hardly unique to Islam. [This is a bit off-topic]

But whilst it is easy to think of any number of examples of violent crime being linked with a particular religious, racial, cultural or political perspective, the abuse of children is almost always assumed to be the work of individuals who share nothing in common with their fellow abusers other than their perverted desires. This is because it is very hard to imagine a belief system in which this sort of abuse could be in any way justified.

However, whilst not necessarily justifying these actions, it is possible to look to Islam to explain why these men all chose such young victims [Young victims are more vulnerable than adults, so religion doesn't have to be the reason]. Unlike in the UK, where boys and girls are considered to be children until they reach the age of sixteen, many Islamic cultures consider young girls to have reached adulthood by the time that they are nine or ten. [Incorrect, the age of puberty commonly defines adulthood, not age]

This is rooted in the example set by Islam’s prophet Mohammed. The Islamic texts tell us Mohammed married Aisha when she was just six years old and that he consummated the marriage (had sex with her) when she was nine. [There is hardly any evidence that suggests he had sex with her and this statement shows the lack of Islamic knowledge by the writer]

Islamic apologists will often object to Qur’anic references [Actually, Islamic scholars don't reject anything, and believe it whole-heartedly], claiming that they must be understood in their historical context [But the Quran is to be understood in its historical context too]. But this is not how they are understood in the Islamic world. In fact, the story of Mohammed’s wedding Aisha is well-known in the Muslim world and forms the foundation for the legal age of consent (or equivalent) in many Islamic countries.

The Qur’an tells us that Mohammed was “the most excellent example for all believers” (Sura 3:21) [WRONG CITATION - CLICK HERE FOR THE REAL CITATION], and this is a belief that has remained central to Islamic teaching ever since. And yet Islam’s prophet, a man who set a perfect example for Muslims to follow, had sex with a nine year old. [There is hardly or no evidence to suggest he had sex with her at nine years old so this is historically inaccurate]

In Britain the age of consent is sixteen, so already there is a clear conflict between the law of Islam (which relies heavily on Mohammed’s example) and the law of the land. This perhaps would not be so significant were Islamists not constantly calling for Muslims to obey the Sharia (Islamic law) rather than live according to our laws.

But the example of Mohammed, and the importance given to this example, is not the only factor to consider. We must remember also that the Qur’an dictates that women should have a second class status to men [Even 4:1, 4:19, 4:124, 16:97, 30:21, 33:35 and 40:40?] and that unbelievers should live in a state of submission, or ‘dhimmitude’. Many mainstream interpretations of Sharia Law make it very clear that any unbelievers living in a Muslim state ought to be granted far fewer rights than Muslims. [Sharia is interpretable and just because some implement harshness, doesn't necessarily mean it is from Islam itself]

Being a ‘dhimmi’ means that any crimes committed against you are punished far less severely than they would be if committed against a Muslim (if they are punished at all). If you happen to be a woman then you’re in an even worse position. [Why?]

If this is how Muslim men are encouraged to see non-Muslim women, as dhimmi who deserve little to no rights or protection [Not at all. And this may not be the case in grooming especially as the reasons to groom can be due to lust and horrid desires too], then that attitude would surely lead to exactly the sort of problem that we do have with Muslim grooming gangs.

The Qur’an also includes instructions about how a Muslim man should treat a woman that he has captured or has dominion over. In particular, it makes repeated references to that “which your right hand possess”, meaning that which you have taken by force or by other means. [Incorrect. “Which your right hand possess” doesn't refer to women, but slaves or captives of war. Also, 4:36 emphasizes how even slaves are to be treated well]. This applies to women in the same way as it applies to property. That “which your right hand possess” is yours to do with as you will, since Allah would not have allowed you to gain possession of it if it were not! If you can seize it, you can do what you like with it. [As we have highlighted before, the writer doesn't know the meaning of the term and then tries to fear-monger]

It is certainly possible to argue about the extent to which this attitude persists. But we need only look as far as a few examples to see how the Islamic world tbeats women: stoned to death for adultery under the Taliban and barely allowed out of the house in Saudi Arabia. Even in Britain, Muslim women are encased in Burqas or subjected to Sharia Law [The majority of women, having more rights here in the UK, wear it by their own accord] – where their testimony counts for half of that of a Muslim man. [Click here for more information]

Hostile attitudes towards both women and unbelievers have permeated Islamic culture for centuries. In Britain the Muslim community has been highly successful at resisting integration [The majority do integrate though] and maintaining many of its traditional cultural attitudes – both good and bad.

Given Mohammed’s personal legacy, common Muslim attitudes towards women and non-Muslims and the ever-present influence of Islamic extremism, there is more than enough reason to consider the role that Islam has played in the emergence of Muslim grooming gangs. [But with the points given, there really isn't much proof to suggest there is a correlation]

And yet despite all the evidence [What evidence?], it still remains taboo to mention Islam in relation to these crimes. The authorities may chastise themselves for being too afraid of being accused of racism, but their fixation on race disguises the fact that they’ve replaced one fear with another. Instead of the fear of being called racist, they’re now terrified of being accused of the new ultimate sin: Islamophobia.

But if we care about preventing these horrific crimes then we must not be afraid to face down these false accusations. As with all criticisms of Islam, we must make clear that our criticisms are not motivated by hate, but by love [But the EDL oozes stereotype and bias] for whatever it is that we find is threatened.

Nowadays not everyone shares our love for our country. But at the very least we should hope they share our love for the innocence of youth [The exploitation of a young epileptic child by the EDL doesn't really prove it], and our determination to do all we can to protect it.

Click here to read the original article

Conclusion

  • The writer has little knowledge about Islam
  • The writer forgets that pre-marital relations, sexual abuse and rape are forbidden in Islam so linking grooming to Islam in the first place is rather stupid in itself
  • The writer focusses on grooming by Asians, when reports suggest the most cases of British sexual offences are committed by Europeans, like this one...

The EDL don't really speak out against non-Asian cases.

  • The writer doesn't know how to even source or cite correctly!

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5 comments:

  1. Lol Tommy once said even though Facebook isn't monitored all the time, the EDL site is.

    And the site made a big fool out of itself by letting a illiterate write for them

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  2. bahaha couldnt they proofread? or is too hard for them to do?

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  3. What about the over-representation of muslim men in grooming GANGS?

    Sir Trevor Philips, head of the CRE, said it was 'fatuous' to deny a racial link in the grooming of white children by these gangs.

    And Baroness Warsi has spoken out against the 'small minority' of Asian men who groom children.

    Nazir Afzal, the newly appointed chief crown prosecutor for the North West, said that these men have 'cultural baggage' which gives them the view that it is ok to molest children.

    Are you still going to continue to deny the elephant in the room?

    BTW, I am not a member of the EDL. I am a seeker for justice irrespective of class or race, which is what is not happening here.

    I bet my posting gets taken down.

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    1. There's a difference between being 'Muslim' and 'Asian' so get your facts right.

      Elephant in the room?

      What about the 90+ non-Muslim paedophiles just arrested for paedophilia and child abuse offences in the UK!?

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-suspects-raided-80-children-884326

      It's ALL over the news.

      Paedophiles no matter what faith they belong to, are sick. There's no need to play the blame game like how the EDL do, because its stupid.

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    2. And btw, isn't it strange that some people link religion with Asian cases and not when a non-Asian does it?

      And the EDL have yet to protest about a person who belongs to the white ethnic background. Because all I see is a severe case of targeting and dirty bias.

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